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Post  conky on Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:36 pm

Hi I am new to this forum so I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this.

Buying/selling/consuming cannabis are some of the highest (lol) forms of activism in my opinion. I was wondering if there is anyone on these forums interested in discussing the use of hidden websites such as silkroad for buying and selling cannabis within New Zealand. Obviously I'm not interested in specific details or anything which might get someone tracked down and busted. But I have been interested in such topics for some time now and would love to see such services more widely used in NZ!!!

For those curious as to what the heck I'm talking about: Silkroad is an anonymous online marketplace. Yes, the one you've probably heard mentioned on the news at some point. Drugs and various other 'non-legit' products and services are bought and sold worldwide, with anonymity for both the buyer and seller. Buyers and sellers have reputations similar to the feedback system on Trademe, and there is an escrow system whereby the funds are held by silkroad until the buyer has confirmed delivery of the items.

If there is interest I would be happy to write up a comprehensive guide for a total beginner to get started with online anonymity and anonymous online markets.

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Post  The.Om.Buds.Man on Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:37 pm

i like anything that gives government the shits ..2 million US$ turnover a month ..mainly drugs ..and only one bust in years ..an aussie blighter that got greedy importing shitloads of everything

here's a detailed govt analysis of silkroad http://arxiv.org/pdf/1207.7139v1.pdf

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Post  RandomIsGood on Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:22 am

You can buy pretty much anything on the net, so it's good to see that weed is on the list as well.

I know these forums used to be good for hookups once upon a time, but anything that helps keep things anonymous until legalisation, and probably still after that with all the spying bullshit that's going on these days, is A Good Thing in my book.

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Post  pilgrim on Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:39 pm

Its not a bad idea or thought but due to the nature of where the silk road is at the would be a good possibility that other, unrelated stuff being offered for sale also. It would have to be a totally cannabis site for myself to want to go there...

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Post  furrywall on Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:03 pm

Be very careful what you get shipped into the country. Things get noticed (or so I was told). Exclamation 

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Post  hometoad on Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:12 pm

furrywall wrote:Be very careful what you get shipped into the country. Things get noticed (or so I was told). Exclamation 
I've not had any problems with cannabis seed. I've periodically wondered about coca seeds but have never mustered the courage and I'd never do white powder via snail mail. I like The Tor Browser and I kinda like the silk road but its sites like http://xqz3u5drneuzhaeo.onion/users/missionman/index.php and http://xqz3u5drneuzhaeo.onion/users/missionman/links.php that put me off going to that part of the net...

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Post  Diablow on Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:30 pm

There has been a bit of action on the web host that Silk Road is 'apparently' hosted on. The owner of Freedom Hosting was arrested and allegations are circulating that the FBI inserted a piece of javascript into the header of many sites hosted on freedom hosting which is alleged to be a phone home type exploit sending actual IP address info back to an FBI server.

More here
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/hidden-services-current-events-and-freedom-hosting

According to some at the Mozilla, this exploit will not affect the latest version of TOR Browser (FF 17.7).
https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2013/08/04/investigating-security-vulnerability-report/ (see comments)

Much of these rumours circulating are speculation but for safety sake, make sure javascript is disabled by default in your browser and make sure you have the latest update of the TOR Bundle.

Keep up to date with this event as well, because if it turns out to be true that Silk Road is hosted on Freedom Hosting, and it is still running (I haven't checked), then the feds are now running it. Same goes for Tormail.

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Post  hometoad on Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:09 pm

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rlo0uu this link is a link on the tor blog page and is worth a read.

Personally I wouldn't be going down to the red light district in onionland at the moment unless you are being uber careful.  First things to check if you are using tor is to disable javascript Click on Tools, Click on Options, Click on Content and disable.

secondly click on Help, Click on About Firefox its the one at the bottom of the drop down thingy and if you are using Firefox 17.0.7 you should be okay.  Fingers crossed Shocked 
Best guess is that they (the feds) are after kiddy porn and silkroad persian bizarre type sites and then they'll be going after bit-coin and other electronic money paper trail type stuff.

and there is also:
18.  For those that had blocked Javascript and are safe: It's now a good idea to remember that Tor should never be trusted, and that any content from Tor sites can be compromised at any time. Always be sure to update your media players such as VLC to the latest versions to protect against exploits in media files. There are no signs that such tampering has taken place, but this is a good time to remind people to be smart. How to be as safe as you can be: 1: Keep Tor Browser Bundle up to date every time you get an update notification. 2: Always disable Javascript. 3: Always keep all your software fully updated. 4: Run everything in a Virtual machine (VirtualBox is free) to avoid data leaking out into your main OS. 5. Use Linux in that VM even if you are primarily a Windows user, because Linux is a fuckton more resilient against attacks. 6: Use encrypted containers inside the VM if your freedom depends on your data being safe from prying eyes. 7: Trust noone. Never reveal personal info on Tormail (now compromised) or even Torchat. You never want to leak anything that leads back to you. Always assume that everyone is out to get you and you will never have the issue of trusting the wrong person.

19.  More warnings (TORMAIL): The hidden service for Tormail has been compromised since it ran on FreedomHosting. It's therefore very likely that all the contents of your Tormail inboxes are in their hands. Do not log into your accounts. Depending on how Tormail works, your emails might possibly have been stored in encrypted form in the database and will only be decrypted whenever you log in. In that case, they can only read them by installing a backdoor that makes unencrypted copies as soon as someone logs into their account. Logging in would thereby give them the unencrypted versions. Alternatively, if Tormail already stored everything unencrypted then they already have a complete copy of it and no logging-in-and-deleting will do any good whatsoever. Unfortunately everything points towards Tormail just using a regular IMAP mail server hosted on Freedom Hosting (because of how they allowed regular Roundcube / SquirrelMail access to your mailbox, both of which are just regular unencrypted IMAP web clients), and that would mean that all plaintext emails are already in the FBI's hands and there's nothing you can do about it. Do not log in. Logging in can only make things worse! Tormail is guaranteed to be a major part of this sting because it (along with certain private messaging systems on boards) is the most likely place where people will reveal their true identities to people they've trusted. Tormail has been compromised and all you can do now is NOT log in, and pray that everything was stored as decrypt-on-demand via custom IMAP server software (unfortunately extremely unlikely because no off-the-shelf IMAP servers offer encrypted email storage). That, and destroy all the evidence so that anyone knocking down your door will find nothing on your computers.

that should be considered if you have been up to mischief...


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Post  hometoad on Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:10 pm

http://krebsonsecurity.com/tag/eric-eoin-marques/ - Firefox Zero-Day Used in Child Porn Hunt?

http://www.techdirt.com/blog/?tag=eric+eoin+marques - Feds Accused Of Distributing Malware That De-Anonymizes Tor Users

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Post  hometoad on Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:03 am

Bitcoin sinks in value after FBI busts Silk Road drug market

3/10/2013

http://news.yahoo.com/bitcoin-sinks-value-fbi-busts-silk-road-drug-193905423.html

By Noel Randewich

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The price of the bitcoin digital currency dropped on Wednesday, after U.S. law enforcement authorities shut down Silk Road, an online marketplace used to buy and sell illegal drugs.

The bitcoin, valued by many for its anonymity, fell to $129 from over $140 a day before, according to a website for trading bitcoins, Mt.Gox. Earlier, the currency traded as low as $110.

Supporters say using bitcoins offers benefits including lower fraud risk and increased privacy, though critics argue the anonymity it offers makes the currency a magnet for drug transactions, money-laundering and other illegal activities.

The digital currency's drop came after the FBI arrested alleged Silk Road owner Ross William Ulbricht, 29, known as "Dread Pirate Roberts," on Tuesday in San Francisco.

Silk Road allowed tech-savvy sellers to post ads for drugs and other illegal products, which they sold for bitcoins and shipped to customers through the mail, according to the federal criminal charges filed against Ulbricht.

As well as Silk Road shoppers, drug traffickers who worried about the FBI tracking them down with data confiscated from Ulbricht may account for some of Wednesday's bitcoin selloff, said Garth Bruen, a security expert at Internet consumer group Digital Citizens Alliance.

"They're going to be pouring all over his records, getting subpoenas for every piece of data and account he has ever used and trying to figure out who all these different dealers are," said Bruen. "People are jumping ship."

While bitcoins, which are not backed by a government or central bank, have begun to gain a footing among some businesses and consumers, they have yet to become an accepted form of payment on the websites of major retailers such as Amazon.com.

The charges against Ulbricht said that Silk Road generated sales of more than 9.5 million bitcoins, roughly equivalent to $1.2 billion. There are currently about 11.8 million bitcoins in circulation.

With Ulbricht's arrest, authorities said they seized $3.6 million worth of bitcoins.

(Reporting by Noel Randewich; Editing by Leslie Adler)

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Post  Diablow on Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:01 pm

Bitcoin is not as safe as people make it out to be. Yes as a general anonymous method of wire transfer of funds, but when you run a market that sticks one right in the eye of the NSA, Bitcoin security will not stand up to that level of scrutiny.

Neither has or will any form of anonymous web hosting like TOR.

What is needed is a Silk Road just for ganja, no guns, assassins for hire, crack or heroin, just ganja.

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Post  nukachura on Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:51 pm

So would that be Hemp Road?

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Post  Diablow on Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:53 am

I think any centralised system of retail will inevitably face the same demise. The only systems that have survived NSA type direct attention are decentralised network, organisation, and cryptographically secure etc. We learnt that with file sharing and with encrypted communications which is why TOR has stood the test of time in terms of defeating the best attempts to exploit its network.

In each of these cases, Silk Road and Freedom Hosting, they were centralised systems that had central figures running them. This harks back to the days of Napster and earlier which had a centralised organisation and server. Then you have MEGAUPLOAD version 1.0 which suffered the same problem. Skip forward to uTorrent and you have a method that is insecure to the individual user but the network is distributed and not easily taken down.

What you actually need is something like this; an application that allows a user to make a sale, offer a product for sale, and also search for products for sale in the same way that uTorrent distributes requests for files, except, because its not file sharing, it will work across TOR.

So a typical transaction might begin with a search for 'lemon skunk' with search parameters of 1) cheapest to most expensive, 2) NZ Only, 3) Best reputation etc etc. A user then selects a sale item, and then clicks to purchase, the bitcoin transaction takes place and the sales item is removed.

There are of course many pitfalls to this, for example there is no recourse for bitcoin, once the coin is sent, its sent, no returns. But users will learn to trade small with a new seller until that seller builds a rep up with them at which point they could take bigger risks.

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Post  Puffinstuff on Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:23 pm

There's already ten more to take its place. The first few are in this article

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/03/buy-illegal-drugs_n_4038653.html


Also worth a read

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ernest-drucker/an-amnesty-for-prisoners-_b_3957493.html

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Re: Silkroad Discussion

Post  Diablow on Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:45 pm

I saw the black market reloaded site up before I posted that last post. It was what got me thinking about what is really needed rather than repeating an idea that has already failed every time it has been tried.

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